. >> obama administration has doubled the no-fly list we should note. this came from an ap report. to about 21,000 names. secret lists of suspected terrorist whose are banned from flying to or within the united states. the flood of new names began after the failed christmas 2009 bombing of a detroit-bound jetliner. the government lowered the standard for putting people on the list. james, we're talking about what's outrageous about this. i can absolutely 1,000% understand that exact reasoning. you think how the heck did we let this guy get on a plane and so people say let's err on the side of caution, let's err on making the list bigger than smaller and the worst that happens some people get deprived of their ability to fly. what's wrong with that logic? >> it's not erring on the side of caution this is err on the scale of fear. we're into like five digits. this is something that's happening with the drug war, something that's happening with no-fly lists, something happening with kill lists and this is the way the system works. when you build this system you create an architecture